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Attendees
(aggregated over all days, alphabetised)
Tim Booth,
Ryan Brinkman, Oliver Fiehn, Dawn Field, Jennifer Fostel,
Graeme Grimes, Eugene Kolker, Ruth McNally, Norman Morrison,
Don Robertson, Phillippe Rocca-Serra, Susanna-Assunta
Sansone, Chris Taylor, Stefan Wiemann.
Minutes
(summarised, reordered)
- Update by
Chris on activities to date, setting up telcons in the
future
- Positive
discussion with NBT on MICheck paper, we should
press on and get the paper back to them:
NBT says the issue will be out in Feb / March or later,
so there is a period in which we could still build
the website and no significant change to paper except
small tweaks; if we don't have the content by then,
they would 'downgrade' it to a different category
publication.
- Brief
discussion of the three recent papers in NBT 'critical'
of standards ([1],[2],[3]).
- Chris
will soon be able to spend a lot more time on MICheck
(essentially now an FTE).
- Website
should be more actively developed soon by Chris now
that MIAPE paper has been resubmitted.
- Website
now has project registration form (excel and XML),
list of registered projects, MIACA, MIRIAM, MIAPE,
MIMix, GSC, MIAME/Env.
- Telecons
- suggested bi-weekly, a cluster now because of paper
and feel out the situation - two in Dec.
- Feedback
on the reviews - what to do with the paper
- Reviewed
suggestions to date; make it very short; submit later;
proceed.
- Could
take into account the recent NBT papers.
- Resubmit
by end of year, more or less as is, after some work
on website.
- Name change
(MICheck is another project) - how about "MIChecklist"?
Other suggestions?
- Required
because MICheck project already exists.
- Alternatives
include: MIcatalog, MIlog, MIchecklist (no, owned
by a bank).
- OBRA -
Open Biological Reporting Anthology - I'd also prefer
something like "OBRA template". Although
MIMI is absolutely correct, it sounds weird.
- MIBI Standards,
or MIBI for short: Minimum Information for Biomedical
Investigations. The "s" on standards I thought
may be import to get the idea that this is not just
one, but a collection - or better Biological - top
contender - currently the front runner - on how about
"Life Sciences"
- MIgistry
- MI Core
Set
- Final
consensus - MIB*I - "MIBI" - to get around
biological / biomedical - with Bio*
- Registering
projects with MIcheck - Excel template for MIMI
("Minimum Information about a Minimum Information")
form available
- XML
schema available, but excel seems a more
practical approach for now
- Really
need input from micheck community
- Not really
a standard per se, but a mechanism for MICheck to
catalogue the checklists in a useful form - call it
'project registration instead' and don't make too
big a deal of it
- Defining
MIMI is valuable - a project in itself
- Issue
of whether specifications should use 'must' and 'should'
or 'may' and could', MIAPE tending more towards the
former, what stance should MICheck take?
- Checklists
should be about science, developed and used by scientists
- How prescriptive
should we actually be? without an explicit level of
detail, the data still can't be processed
- 15 total
extant projects 'registered' by intent through authorship
on paper
- (N.B.
two additional documents listed in paper, but
subsequently subsumed by CIMR [MIAMet, SMRS])
- Should
we set a deadline?
- Need to
consider how to manage a large list in the future
(Chris looking at javascript for navigation according
to categories)
- PSI, GSC,
and Env have been MIMI-in-Excel testers - any other
group willing to give it a test run welcome!
- The website
(Chris to make a start, the group to advise?), what about
a wiki? Mailing lists (communication and co-ordination)
- As a priority,
add a description of MIMI, the excel template - DONE
- Yes, enough
of a need for interaction in MICheck members to warrant
a mailing list
- Set up
public wiki and two mailing lists (all, coordinators)
- Static
webpages and some kind of search facility over guidelines
we have
- List of
coordinators and communities to go up in wiki
- News to
be added in a blog
- Support
for using the OBO (obo.sourceforge.net) site as a 'template'
- list of checklists could be organized / browsed
in a similar fashion (yes / no whether Foundry etc)
- Bit of
history (PSI meeting session), FAQ - who we are, how
different from others, etc
- Turn venn
in header into a real example of overlap
- Add meeting
notes to website
- By Dec
1, growing content available! positive feedback
- Charter -
promised in paper
- Will start
a draft this week (Ruth, Norman, Dawn to do a preliminary
read through) - base on extracts from paper plus a
bit more - a mission statement, what is our purpose,
what do we hope from people who sign up; also more
meaningful Foundry sign-up pledge
- Primary
community is really composed of the MIxxx coordinators
- Any group
can register a checklist without further commitment
to MICheck
- Linkages (relevant
meetings, information to the web in the short-term)
- No mode
for inviting people not in a specific community but
with general interest /expertise yet, could be useful
- The scope
of MICheck (Linkages between MIcheck, OBO/OBI, and FuGE;
RSBI)
- Some discussion
that people have different ideas of the scope
- Further
discussion is needed
- Good suggest
to people 'best practice' is the use of GO, OBI, FuGE
etc, but not as a 'must' more a should
- MIcheck
(content, checklist), OBI (ontology), and FuGE (syntax)
is a useful construct
- No a priori
limit on scope (anytime of checklist to be initial
investigations)
- MICheck Foundry
- future MICheck workshops (face-to-face meetings)
- Yes, positive
about the need for workshops
- Susanna
is putting in a BBSRC bid to fund workshops for multi-omic
workshops - including one for MICheck (OBI, FuGE also)
- Chris
exploring potential funding routes with BBSRC T&R
in support of their new data sharing policy (which
promotes standards uptake)
- Come up
with a memorandum of understanding if others significantly
change guidelines
- Need future
discussion of what the products of the Foundry will
be
- Wrap up and
volunteers (what are people willing to do)
- Poll for
telcon dates - key to have one in early Dec and one
in middle (a paper discussion before it goes back)
Friday 8th, Friday 15th - final draft out from Chris
by 11th - Chris
- Start
to write some guidelines for new MIxxx groups
- Ask Amelia
(at EBI) about practical aspects of OBO tree (collapsible)
view on website - could we easily do the same - Chris
- Ryan to
put in EI on Dec 1 for a 'standards summit' (can take
cv's etc from Susanna's bid) - 25k for flights (CIHR
funding; http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/30812.html)
- Connotea
- bibliography, website: Ryan (after Dec 15), Dawn
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